For TV, gaming I use the BH085s. Have you noticed anything that you preferred about the BH085 now that you have the 458BT? The clamp force digs into your head, and hurts the more you wear. I had the 450's and couldn't wear them for too long. I love these avantree cans, but I think this Sennheiser deal might've been a better buy if I waited a week. You do sacrifice a hard case, LDAC and probably better noise cancellation, but I'm not sure on build quality as the Sony WH1000XM3 is quite plasticky. The Taotronics are WAYYYYYY more comfortable than these head torture devices. The Sennheiser HD 450BT also sounds good in a unique way. After grabbing two Sennheiser headphones, I think I will never come back to 085 and 060 (although I think they are still great headphones). They’ve flooded the market with so many models (dozens of them) with just slight differences in the model numbers, there’s no way you could find comprehensive reviews on them all. People need to disregard that feature of them as entirely useless in practice. No this product's description says: I am picking up a pair of white beats studio 3 wireless brand new for $250 tomorrow. Don't even try it on your commute. "USB-C fast charging and advanced wireless Bluetooth 5.0 technology for effortlessly reliable connectivity" The HD 450BT is a better option for commuters because of the ANC technology. Control app Sennheiser Smart Control. I've been using Sennheiser HD 4.50s for 3 years now and they are the best pair of cans I've ever had. Upon correspondence with a Sennheiser representative, I learned there’s an undocumented feature that is not found on the website or in-package instructions. Bluetooth 5.0 vs 4.2. https://www.ecoustics.com/reviews/sennheiser-hd-450bt-wirele... All BT ANC headphones have terrible microphones, whether it's the XM3s, QC 35 IIs or these Sennys. I ended up with a pair of Sony WH1000XM3. I find it no different with these HD 450BT headphones. I'm disappointed with the comfort and a buzzing in the low-end in the left ear when ANC is on. Skype, games with voice chat, mobile phones, etc. This is just what I needed to hear to know it wasn't just my pair haha. They called it sidetone, and it’s only enabled during voice operations. In Summer your head feels like they're baking in an oven. Picking up a pair from my local this morning. Obviously the Sennheiser’s basically known for its sound quality. But your Avantree ones might be the best for you considering what you need. The USB Type-C features reversible plug orientation and cable direction. Seinnheiser would be way better than Taotronics in sound quality wise IMO. There are lots of features that make these a great value and one that I would recommend to others for a great listening experience. I've replaced the foam pads twice now, they get a huge workout. Exceptional quality is assured by high-quality wireless codec support, including AAC and AptX™, with AptX™ Low Latency to keep audio perfectly in sync with on-screen action when watching videos. Sorry what ones did you stick with and how did you manage to return them so many times? I tested every decent pair of Bluetooth headsets before I settled on a pair of Sony WH1000XM3. As with appearance, so too is the build quality relatively similar between t… @plank89: Amazing! Not only don’t you get an analogue cable, the Sennheiser HD 350BT headphones don’t even have the 2.5mm input provided on the HD 450BT model. Nice job Sennheiser. The only time I've ever noticed anything remotely negative with them was when they started rubbing towards the end of a 16+ hour flight lol. The Sennheiser HD Series ‒ your audio companion for every need! I had exactly the same issue with the annoyingly buzzing sound in the left earcup. Honestly, I'm extremely disappointed with 458BT because I'm a big fan of Sennheiser with the series of HD650, HD600, and HD800. I have no problem with comfort but because of this deal. Battery life 30 hours. bought them last week because of the deal i saw here and they are so bad i am just throwing them off to my little nephew, cbf refunding, sound quality is meh for the price, anc is pretty shit and the biggest issue was the comfort and build - just rubbish, could not wear for longer than 30 minutes, never had that issue with any other headset/headphones before (even the notoriously uncomfortable m40x). 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The device's battery life (when in use) as given by the manufacturer. The HD450BT does come with a few extra little goodies, like a carrying bag. Still there are stocks available in Hornsby if that's closer to you. Well, you’ll just have to wait for the answer to that question. Mic quality is pretty bad on these but because of the price it's not too bad. HD … @boxall: I would say HD 458BT is the last one. Basic physics dictates that it's incredibly difficult to make a microphone that can isolate someone's voice effectively when it's not positioned next to their mouth and will be picking up a whole range of ambient sounds from multiple directions at the same time; it's why all ANC headphone mics (whether in-ear or over-ear) suck as a general rule. It should be to use with Smart TVs (with Bluetooth), no lag with my samsung tu8000, same with any decent bluetooth earphones/headphones (even my $30 soundpeats have no lag which is great). That’s the problem with Sennheiser these days. Even at this special price, is this set 2x better than the TaoTronics. @plank89: Man I really can't decide between 458BT and BH085. I returned mine as well. The Sennheiser HD 458BT headphones are available in Australia and New Zealand now and sell for AUD $299.95 / NZD $329.95 RRP. I think the sound signature is slightly different from HD 4.50 which I used quite frequently before returning. While they have a similarly sleek and decently built design as the Sennheiser HD 4.50 BTNC, they offer over 24 hours of continuous battery life which is outstandingly long.However, most other aspects of these headphones are okay and don't really stand out too much from their competitors. Newer versions provide faster data transfers. The battery can be recharged and used over again. Returned them today. This model is loved for its increased sound isolation and the fact that it won't leak sound to your neighbors. The higher the high-frequency response, the clearer and crispier the treble. Their default sound profile is a bit more balanced than the bass-heavy Sony, and they also have a graphic EQ and presets in their companion app, which the Sony lacks. She's only used to shitty earphones so both will be amazing to her. Along with a couple of review for the previous model which appears to be pretty similar asides from a battery and USB C upgrade, here and here. This is the updated model of 450BT (sound improvement were made on 458BT), also a lot cheaper than 450BT. All trademarks are owned by their respective owners.OzBargain is an independent community website which has no association with nor endorsement by the respective trademark owners. 8.5/10, would buy again. If only Amazon were selling them and at the same price at least there is a return option. sennheiser hd 58x jubilee headphones-$170 $150. @plank89: And all by the others you managed to get a refund? Probably more concerned about sound quality. also would like to know how they fare with calls. Resistance to sweat makes it ideal for use while doing sports. Any lag? Haha. don't do it, these suck! With voice prompts, you will automatically receive information via audio messages âÂ for instance, you may find out that the battery is running low, and it's time to recharge the device. Sennheiser HD 450BT Bluetooth 5.0 Wireless Headphone with Active Noise Cancellation - 30-Hour Battery Life, USB-C Fast Charging, Virtual Assistant Button, Foldable - Black $99.95 Get the deal Active noise cancellation for uninterrupted listening pleasure, Superior wireless sound with deep dynamic bass and high-quality codec support including AAC and AptX™ Low Latency, Crafted from high-quality materials for outstanding durability with a minimalist design, Intuitive controls including Voice Assistant button for Siri and Google Assistant, USB-C fast charging and advanced wireless Bluetooth 5.0 technology for effortlessly reliable connectivity.